and so what i think we should be doing is taking a very different approach to him now making it clear that we support opposition leadership making it clear that we are in a position where we have a way in which was was working for a while to integrate the kurdish population who wanted to participate in the process in the in the con in in their parliament etc because we have to speak out about what we in fact think are wrong he has to pay a price he has to pay a price for whether
or not we're going to continue to sell certain weapons to him in fact if he has the air defense system that they're flying f-15 through to see how they can try to figure out how to do it so i'm very concerned about it i'm very concerned about it but i'm still of the view that if we were to engage more directly like i was doing with them that we can support those elements of the turkish
leadership that still exist and get more from them and embolden them to be able to take on and defeat erdogan not by a coup not by a coup but by electoral process.
